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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2009, 14:14 »
bilsam obviniavan mnogokratno v kakvoli ne, osnovatelno ili ne az nemoga da go opredelia no vie mojete za tselta neka da predstaviat dokazatelstva podkrepiashta tiahnata(teoretichna)versia a az shte predstavia praktichni materiali sas koito shte dokaja che sam edin musulman-demokrat postavil na parvo miasto fenomenat chovek sas vsichkite mu prava i zadaljenia saprovojdashti negovia pol,veroizpovedanie,etnos,natsionalnost i dr

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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2009, 14:19 »
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« Yanıtla #7 : Mart 18, 2009, 10:29:12 ÖS »
   
sled 25 ili 30 godini balgarite shte sa maltsinstvo a nared s balgarskia ofitsialni ezitsi shte badat turskia i romskia ako razbirase do togava ne stanem aftonomni oblasti po modela na belgia koiato e s tri ezika i tri otdelni oblasti vav granitsite na edna darjava


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Би ли ни обяснил повече за автономните области ?

Това сдружение за автономни области и други официални езици ли се бори ?

Важно е да се уточнят тези въпроси, нищо лично ...

Дето се вика, да сме наясно "Кой за кво се бори"

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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2009, 14:40 »
To iasno, 4e ima takiva hora koito misliat taka...ama zashto se obli4at v ov4i koji i pishat tuka se 4udia...  ::)
Teo go zashtiti 4oveka , 4e e mnogo dobronameren... ???
Taka e, dobronamereni ste!, nali?!!!

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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2009, 16:19 »
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To iasno, 4e ima takiva hora koito misliat taka...ama zashto se obli4at v ov4i koji i pishat tuka se 4udia...  ::)
Teo go zashtiti 4oveka , 4e e mnogo dobronameren... ???
Taka e, dobronamereni ste!, nali?!!!

Да,добронамерени сме! А вие? Посочил е,че ромите и мюсюлманите се увеличават ,а прираста при християните е отрицателен! А и да е на друго мнение,защо да не пише? И аз не съм съгласна понякога с вас, но не ви казвам,да не пишете! ;)

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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2009, 17:12 »
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Да,добронамерени сме! А вие? Посочил е,че ромите и мюсюлманите се увеличават ,а прираста при християните е отрицателен! А и да е на друго мнение,защо да не пише? И аз не съм съгласна понякога с вас, но не ви казвам,да не пишете! ;)
Ne e kazal samo tova.
Az sym estestven i ne licemerni4a kato goreposo4enite ot men, za da se haresam.
Ako mislish kato Teo i nego ne ste dobronamereni.
Ne sym kazal da ne pishe.
Za koe ne ste syglasna s men?

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Май тук е по-подходящо!
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2009, 20:22 »
На прима виста:

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kato potomak i predstavitel na nai goliamata imperia sashtestvuvala niakoga pod slantseto a imeno otomanskata, ...

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kato musulmanin i turchin chesta i dostoinstvoto sa na parvo miasto bez tiah jivotat na edin viarvasht niama da se razlichava s nishto ot tozi na kriminalnia prestapnik, no vkluchvaikise v aktivnia politicheski jivot ne mislia che izostaviam osnovnite iziskvania na moeto veroizpovedanie.
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dnes moia narod e napadnat ot mnogobroen i mnogo opasen vrag koito ot godini iska nasheto unishtojenie. vsiaka pomosht v zashtita na narodami e dobre doshla dori dasa kradtsi,svodnitsi ili dilari.
triabva s obshti usilia da pobedim a sled tova shte vidim alah e velik


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... mislia che musulmanite otdavna sa gotovi za nova partia koiato netrabva nepremeno da bade obedinavasta a naprotiv da othvarli nekorektnite.ideologiata i tselite triabva daca nad lichnosta kakto beshe do sega.no triabva da bade chisto musulmanska zada naloji forma na povedenie i darjanie otgovariashto na isliama. i poneje sred turtsite i pomatsite ima mnogo malko hora otgovariashti na tezi iziskvania nabludavame vsevazmojni partii i federatsii koito opitvaikise da naberat chlenove se razminavat i s nai malkata vazmojnost da preds tavliavat musulmanite.moiata teoria e che edin viarvasht e po tsenen ot sto nevernika no kato broiat glasovete go broiat za edin a tova nese haresva na profesionalnite polititsi i stanahme svideteli na  krastoski koito veche rajdat parvite si urodi s koito triabva dase saobraziavame. zatova si mislia che novata partia triabva da se podgotvi i rakovodi ot polititsi (amatuori)finansovo nezavisimi patrioti koito niama da dopusnat greshkata na dps. a do togava vsicki turtsi romi(tursko govoriashti)i pomatsi shte glasuvat za pomalkoto zlo v sluchaia dogan. 
ot malkia mi opit v tozi forum mi stana iasmo che vie shte shlifovate surovia diamant koito shtevi predloja .
BALGARSKA MUSULMANDEMOKRATICHNA PARTIA B.M.D s predsedatel i vishi savetnitsi jiviali nai malko 5 godini izvan balgaria

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ste bada kratak 1 smartna prisada da, i to vazmojno nai barzo 2 aborti ne, dori da se nakazvat
3 smeseni brakove ne, vsichki sa nespoluchlivi i vinagi se razturvat
no iskam da dopalnia che sam za razreshena i kontrolirana prostitutsia,svobodno prodavane na orajie za samozashtita i legalizirane na targoviata s narkotitsi

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... na praktika izliza che osnovnoto choveshko pravo a imeno pravoto na veroizpovedanie v bg e otneto ili napravo zabraneno

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ot nevernika priatel i ot prase postelia ne stava
edna mnogo stara turska pogovorka koiato tsial jivot se opitvam da oboria no uvi bez nikakav rezultat zatova se obrashtam kam vas za pomosht da mi dadete primeri na protivopolojnoto na tazi pogovorka za da moga da ia oboria i da priema bezvernite (bezbojni) kato priateli

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sura 109 al-kiafirun(koran)
1.kaji ''o nevernitsi '' 2.az ne sluja na tova,na koeto vie slujite 3.i vie ne slujete na tova,na tova na koeto az sluja 4.i az ne sluja na tova, na koeto vie slujite 5.i vie ne slujete na tova, na koeto az sluja 6.vie si imate vashata religia i az imam svoiata religia.

tazi sura ot sveshtenia koran postavia tochka na raznoglasiatani otnosno formuliraneto na kiafir(giavur)
vseki koito nego e znael ne e vinoven no sled kato e vidial dokazatelstvo i prodalji da manipulira sas opredelenieto izvarshva saznatelen griah

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dnes polojenieto na etnicheskite maltsinstva v bg ne e rozovo no sled 25 do 30 godini veznite shtese nakloniat v polza na turcko i romsko
mnozinstvo a etnicheskite balgari shtesa maltsinstvo i ako dnes te ne proiaviat tolerantnost i prodaljavat da se darjat arogantno moga da prognoziram che za vekove niama da izlachat svoi prezident i shtese naloji da uchat turski i romski zashtoto badeshtite administratsii
shte rabotiat na tezi ezitsi.amerikantsite go osaznaha dano go napraviat i balgarite dokato nee stanalo kasno

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ISKAM DA ZAYAVIA JELANIETO NI ZA PREKRATIAVANE NA NEKONSUMIRANIA BRAK MEJDU HRISTIANI I MUSULMANI.IMAIKI VPREDVID CHE VSICHKITE NI OPITI ZA ZAPAZVANE NA BRAKA SE OKAZAHA NEUSPESHNI.DESITILETIA NARED NEBIAHME PRIETI KATO RAVNOPRAVNI PARTNIORI IMENATA VIARATA KULTURATA TRADITSIITINI I TRUDAT NI BIAHA OMALOVAJENI I POTAPKANI. DORI LICHNITE NI SPESTIAVA
NIA BIAHA OGRABENI I DNES SME NA RABA NA OTCHAIANIETO I PRINUDENI DA OCHAKVAME PODAIANIA .
OPITVAIKI SE DA ZAPAZIM I MOLKOTO KOETO NIE OSTANALO I PONEJE SME POSTAVENI V BEZISHODNO POLOJENIE ISKAME DA POMOLIM
ZA PRAVILNO RAZPREDELENIE NA AKTIVITE I PASIVITE PRIDOBITI PO VREME NA NEUSPESHNIA NI BRAK. KOETO NEE MNOGO A IMENO MALKO JILISTE S DVOR V KOETO ISKAME DA OSTANEM NO POD DRUGA FORMA I S OTDELEN VHOD. NADIAVAME SE CHE ISKAT NI ZA RAZVOD SHTE BADE UVAJEN ZA DA MOJEM DA JIVEEM SPORED NASHITE IZISKVANIA I JELANIA

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ne vijdam nishto neredno v tova edno maltsinstvo da iska da se samoupravliava spored svoia ezik traditsia i veroizpovedanie ako tova e nevazmojno v formatsia s mnozinstvo ot drug narod kakavto e sluchaiat s musulmanite b bg. premerat sas makedonia bosna harvatsko i kosovo e iasen primer za edin moderen razvod jalko che imashe tolkova stradanie i smart vijdate krainia rezultat. ako ima jelanie i sred musulmanite v bg za razvod kakvo losho, otivame na sad i ni opredeliat edna idealna chast ot obshtoto jilishte razdeliame i pokashtninata i gotovo vseki po svoia pat a ako tazi idealna chast e kardjali az shtesam sred parvite koito shtese preseliat

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iskam lichno da blagodaria na forumista bobir za moralnata podkrepa ot koiato musulmanite imat ogromna nujda a i opitat na nashite sabratia e dobre doshal v borbata ni za samoopredelenie i religiozna svoboda sashto blagodari i za podkrepata ot UCK no az iskam da podchertaia che nie sme za miren dialog i ni nai malko iskame da povtorim kravoprolitiata i greshkite pri otelianeto na musulmanite ot yugoslavskata federatsia nie sme za miren i priatelski dialog. no ako ne badep uvajeni mislia che neizbejnia variant e .........

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TOVA OZNACHAVALI CHE AKO IMA JELANIE ZA RAZVOD NEPREMENO TRIABVA DA STANE S KRAVOPROLITIA PO UGOSLAVSKI METOD TRIABVALI DA IMA CHETNITSI , PARA MILITSII I BALGARSKA SREBRENITSA .
AKO NIAMA JELANIE ZA RAZVOD PO VZAIMNO SAGLASIE OSTAVA KLASICHESKIA RAZVOD VAV SADA.
A VARIANTA S KRAVOPROLITIATA E POSLEDEN VAV KOITO NIAMA DASE LEE SAMO MUSULMANSKA KRAV


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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2009, 20:33 »
Защо линковете над съответните цитати не водят до тях?

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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2009, 20:57 »
цък-а работи с реалния линк

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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2009, 21:01 »
Много "интересни" варианти предлага въпросния Юзеиров, ако това в действителност са негови думи...

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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2009, 21:03 »
Стилът е един и същ. Убежденията също. Нека той каже е ли това той или не е. Поиграх си и оправих линковете со точното място.

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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2009, 11:21 »
В действителност най-добре би било въпросният Юзеиров да сподели тук дали това са неговите виждания и убеждения, въпреки че много ме съмнява да го направи. 

Виждам, че друга тема, която вече е заключена, се изтъква колко добър човек бил този Юзеиров.  За да се стигне до този извод се твърди единствено, че плащал добре на работниците си.  Това обстоятелство няма нищо общо с "мюсюлманско-демократичните" убеждения, посочени по-горе, ако наистина са негови. 

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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2009, 08:32 »
Може би заглавието на тази тема трябва да бъде Мюсюлманска религиозна толерантност.
Разбира се когато говориме за съществуването на такава толерантност е нормално да се сещаме за нашата съседка Турция.Но подобна толерантност съществува и в други държави където Ислама е официална религия.Тези неща трябва да ги популяризираме поради все повече и повече набиращата скорост исламофобия, с цел да търсиме златния баланс.
Някой наши банални съфорумци които пишат в ксенофобски сайтове и тука, наричат това с обидната дума - "Толерастия".
Но въпреки това толерантноста съществува и се развива.Светът просто е обречен да бъде мултикултурен и мултирелигиозен.Това е невазможно да се случва без съществуването на Толерантноста .Но ето един такъв пример в държава където официалната религия е исляма:


Хиляди християни посетиха сирийския гр. Маалюля, недалеч от столицата Дамаск, за да отбележат празника Кръстовден. Християните съставляват близо 13 процента от 20-милионното население на Сирия.



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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2010, 15:19 »
Вижте на какъв сайт попаднах днес. Досега не знаех, че съществува енциклопедия на масовите насилия/извращения. Става дума за арменския геноцид в Турция в началото на 20-ти век. За съжаление сайтът е на английски и сигурно не всеки знае езика.

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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2010, 15:48 »
Ето още чужда информация по темата.

An editorial by Christos and Mary Papoutsy

Still, ethnic and religious cleansing by Turkish authorities does not end with the Cyprus occupation. The Orthodox Christian minority in Constantinople (Istanbul) continues to decline in numbers because of discrimination and persecution. At one time there were almost a quarter of a million Greek people in this city founded by Greeks in ancient times and continuously inhabited by Greeks for millennia. But now only a few thousand remain, their numbers decimated from repeated persecution and pogroms. These few are mostly religious figures, priests and monks who dedicate their lives to serving and protecting the Patriarch of Constantinople, the spiritual leader of more than three hundred million Orthodox Christians worldwide. The place where Christianity was first officially recognized as a religion in the fourth century A.D., Constantinople has served continuously as a central locus ever since-more than 1500 years-for Orthodox Christians. Surrounded by a fortress-like compound on the holy grounds of a millennia-old Christian site, Patriarch Bartholomew 1st lives in constant fear of violence. Priests have been murdered and churches sacked. Local officials always promised to find and punish perpetrators, but justice for persecuted minorities has moved only slowly there, if at all. No culprits have been found for a bombing attack in 1998-only one of many such incidents-whose aftereffects we witnessed firsthand when we happened to visit the next day. The Orthodox theological school has been closed for some years by Turkish authorities. Despite repeated calls by American and other officials for reopening this venerable institution, the doors remain closed. And with them any hopes for the continuation of an Orthodox tradition practiced for thousands of years, for authorities have declared that only a Turkish citizen may serve as the Patriarch. Turkish pogroms have indeed worked. Few signs of Orthodoxy or Hellenism remain outwardly visible in this city founded and held for many, many centuries by Greeks.

This pattern of aggression, repression, and revisionism continues today even against other minority groups. In a country of more than sixty million people, the Kurds of Turkey and bordering areas number more than one quarter, nearly twenty-five million people. They are ethnically and linguistically distinct from the Turkic peoples and continue to inhabit their ancestral homeland in the southeastern part of the country. Denied the right to speak their own language and maintain their ethnic identity, they have decided to fight back for the freedom to live in lands occupied by them for thousands of years. Stated in more simple terms, they were there first, long before Turkish invaders arrived. Yet the Turkish government has waged an unrelenting bloody persecution of the Kurds, having slaughtered tens of thousands of them and having hazed complete villages under the pretext of eliminating terrorists. Little information about this tragic injustice reaches the west because of the government's control of the press. But the refugees who have managed to escape to other countries, their numbers now totaling more than one million across Europe, have brought with them credible stories of genocide and ethnic cleansing. "Where are the Americans?" they ask. "Why have you not helped us?" they cry. "Don't you stand for freedom and justice?" they protest. As their numbers increase on the streets of Europe where some have been reduced to begging, it will become increasingly difficult for honest and compassionate westerners to ignore their pleas as American and NATO bombs drop upon Kosovar and Serbian targets alike.

The Kurds are now experiencing some of the tragic difficulties borne by Greeks, Armenians and Cypriots. They join the ranks of many ethnic groups who have suffered from these inhuman practices at the hands of hostile Turks. And they similarly cry for even-handed social justice as the view the strong western reaction to reported atrocities in Yugoslavia. Together with Romanians, Bulgarians, and Serbs, these groups share a historical enmity toward the Turks. The Balkan countries bitterly remember that they were slaves for hundreds of years during the Ottoman Empire, a regime which collapsed only decades ago in some area. And all remember that their Christian members were treated brutally by barbaric Muslim overlords, victims of ethnic and religious cleansing and genocide. A bond of common suffering because of their religion and/or ethnicity binds these countries and peoples together.

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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2010, 19:17 »
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