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Re: Произход на българите !
Marlboro:
Samo 5000 haidyti li ostanahte, Rashko ? 8)
Toq bash haidyt e izsuhnal ot zlobra !
( gledam v nqkoi videota veche i predstavka sa my lepnali haidytite ot bAtaka, kato "isledovatel" i "istorik" ) :o ::)
Veterinarniq lekar pleshti glypost sled glypost Rashite, sashto kato drygi haidyti.
Sled smartta na Atilla i razpada na Hynskata imperiq nqkoi ot nomadskite grypi se otteglqt v stepta.
V posledstvie se poevqvat novi konfederacii ot Kotrigur, Utrigur, Onogur, Sarigur i t.n. koito kolektivno sa narichani "Hyni", "Hyno-bulgari" ili kato "bulgari".
Tezi Bulgari napadat posledovatelno 440 i 441 godina dneshite gradove togavashnite malki selishta Belgrad, Sredec, Plovdiv, Edirne. Sled nqkolko pohoda prez 443 idvat mnogo blizo do Konstantinopol no sa spreni v polyostrov Galipoli kade Vizantiiskiq imperator Teodosius im predlaga sandaci zlato.
Dano sega si razbral Rashko koi sa bulgarite i zashto vie haidytite se narichate s otradnat termin "bAlgari"
The Huns breached the treaty in 440 when Attila and Bleda attacked Castra Constantias, a Roman fortress and marketplace on the banks of the Danube.[41] The Eastern Romans stopped delivery of the agreed tribute, and to honour other conditions of the Treaty of Margus. The Hunnic kings turned their attention back to the Eastern Romans. Reports that the Bishop of Margus had crossed into Hun lands and desecrated royal graves further angered the Hun kings. War broke out between the two empires, and the Huns overcame a weak Roman army to raze the cities of Margus, Singidunum and Viminacium. Although a truce was signed in 441, two years later Constantinople again failed to deliver the tribute and war resumed. In the following campaign, Hun armies came alarmingly close to Constantinople, sacking Sardica, Arcadiopolis and Philippopolis along the way. Suffering a complete defeat at the Battle of Chersonesus, the Eastern Roman Emperor Theodosius II gave in to Hun demands and in autumn 443 signed the Peace of Anatolius with the two Hun kings. The Huns returned to their lands with a vast train full of plunder.
After the breakdown of their Empire, the Huns never regained their lost glory. One factor was that the Huns never fully established the mechanisms of a state, such as bureaucracy and taxes (unlike Bulgars, Magyars or the Golden Horde). Once disorganised, the Huns found themselves absorbed by more organised polities. Like the Avars after them, once the Hun political unity failed the ethnos lacked a way to re-create it, especially because the Huns had become a multiethnic empire even before Attila. The Hun Empire included, at least nominally, a great host of diverse peoples, each of whom may be considered "successors" of the Huns. However, given that the Huns were a politicalcreation, and not a consolidated people, or nation, their defeat in 454 marked the end of that political creation. Newer polities which later arose might have consisted of people formerly in the Hun confederacy, and carrying closely related steppe cultures, but they represented new political creations.Later historians provide brief hints of the dispersal and renaming of Attila's people. According to tradition, after Ellac's defeat and death, his brothers ruled over two separate but closely related hordes on the steppes north of the Black Sea. Dengizich is believed to have been king (khan) of the Kutrigurs and Ernakh khan of the Utigurs, whilst Procopius claimed that Kutrigurs and Utigurswere named after, and led by two of the sons of Ernakh. Such distinctions are uncertain and the situation is not likely to have been so clear-cut. Some Huns remained in Pannonia for some time before the Goths slaughtered them. Others took refuge within the Eastern Roman Empire, namely in Dacia Ripensis and Scythia Minor.
Other Huns and nomadic groups may have retreated to the steppe.
Indeed, subsequently, new confederations appear such as Kutrigur, Utigur, Onogur (Onoghur), Sarigur, etc., which were collectively called "Huns", "Huno-Bulgars", or "Bulgars".[51][52]
Some historians as Steven Runciman, Josef Marquart and George Vernadsky consider the first two names of the Nominalia of the Bulgarian khans to be Attila and his third son Ernakh.[53][54]However, it is likely that Graeco-Roman sources habitually equated new barbarian political groupings with old tribes. This was partly due to the expectation that contemporary writers emulate the "great writers" of preceding eras. Apart from exigencies in style was the belief that barbarians from particular areas were all the same, no matter how they changed their name.[55]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns
Marlboro:
Neka doytochnq na haidytite, shtoto te v glavite sa zavinteni s rajdivi ryski bolcheta.
Do 681 godina ima mnogo drygi bitki s Rimo-Vizantiq no v nikoq predishna bitka ne se vodi za priznavane na zemi zavladqni ot Hynite sled vreme narichani bulgari = "bulgha" omesheni turkogovorqshti plemena.
Rimo-Vizantiq priznava zemite na bulgarite sled 681 samo za da spre da plashta sandaci zlato i postoqnni nahlyvaniq po Vizantiiski robovladelski zemi, ... i taka haidytcheta sled 681 godina e sazdadena hanstvo Tyna- Bulgar ot hynite-bulgari govoreshti turkik, toest kakto vie haidytite narichate tyrski ezik. 8)
Subeyi Kurt:
Когато в едно общество историците се страхуват да пишат истината, тогава писането на история се възлага на ветеринарни лекари като др.Пламен Пасков. Да се надяваме че този хайвански доктор ще е полезен за това общество. :) :o Между другото този ветеринарен лекар след като изпадна в гроги състояние в сайта на гн. Стоян Динков ( Академия Турания ) веднага изчезна и не се появи повече, защото когато фактите говорят пишман историците бягат.
Marlboro:
Mnogo shte mi e interesno da vidq haivanskiq lekar, kak i zashto e izbqgal ot S.D.
Nemojah da namerq v bloga na S.D. ;)
Subeyi Kurt:
Sled kato istoricite mılchat, sega v BG e moda da se sledyat izyavleniyata na edin veterinaren lekar otnosno proizhoda na bılgarite. >:(
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