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Whitesnake:

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Знам много добре за това. Това става през 1492 година, по времете на кралица Елизабета II, която дава 1 месец за изселването на евреите под страх от смъртно наказание. Една част от тях се изселват в Мавритания (много малка част) друга, вече голява част, се изнасят към Новия свят и заселват източното крайбрежие на САЩ, а трета, също голяма част, идват в пределите на Османската империя, като най-много са заселените именно в Солун и в Истанбул.
Не е съвсем верно, че те не са, както написа, "наметнати" с ислям. Те са ислямизирани, стават т.н. "дьонмета", и получават от султана нареждане да носят жълти чалми, за да се отличават от останалите правоверни. Огромната част от тях стават бирници в мперията, затова в народните песни на българите има доста негативни песни за "жълтото еврейче", което за хората е било по-лошо от турците.
И това преселение и внедряване започва не при Селим I, а при баща му: Баязид II. При Селим това продължава и се развива, естественно.


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Ha - ha, ti si ve4no pravia i ve4no kazvashtia istini.Mai e vreme da si uvolnish informatorite.
Sabbatai Zevi  e osnovatelia na sektata Dionme, 4lenovete na koiato priemat oficialno isliama i spazvat isliamskite kanoni kato vatreshno sa si 4uvstvat kato prinadlejashti kam evreiskia narod.
Klon na tazi sekta e imalo v Solun daje i Nevrokop.
Nezavisimo ot neia evreite sa si jiveeli po svoite evreiski zakoni.
neshto pove4e Sabbatai Zevi e bil obiaven ot evreiskata obshtnost za lajeprorok i osporvasht vlasta na sultana i evreiskia parvosveshtenik.Spored deistvashtia imperski sheriat nakazanieto e bilo smart.Interesnoto e 4e tova sabitie e analogi4no na evangelskata istoria s predetelstvoto na mesiiata Issa/Isus Hristos/ ot evreite na Pilat Pontiiski.
Razlikata se sastoi v tova 4e Sabbatai Zevi  e bil pomilvan ot sultana sled koeto toi e priel islqma ;D.
Ne barkai ostanalite evrei v Osmanskata imperia sas sektata Dionme 4iito osnovatel e Sabbatai Zevi .Ili iskash da ni vnushavash otnovo mita za nasilstveno nalagane na isliama tozi pat ne evrei.
Eto ti malko giuvetch na tazi tema:

Sabbatai Zevi (säbätī` zā`vē), 1626–76, Jewish mystic and pseudo-Messiah, founder of the Sabbatean sect, b. Smyrna. After a period of study of Lurianic kabbalah (see Luria, Isaac ben Solomon Luria or Loria, Isaac ben Solomon (l
..... Click the link for more information. ), he became deeply influenced by its ideas of imminent national redemption. In 1648 he proclaimed himself the Messiah, named the year 1666 as the millennium, and gathered a host of followers. In 1666 he attempted to land in Constantinople, was captured, and to escape death embraced Islam. Nevertheless, the influence of the Sabbatean movement survived for many years; it had secret adherents in the 18th cent. and was revived under Jacob Frank Frank, Jacob, c.1726–1791, Polish Jewish sectarian and adventurer, b. Podolia as Jacob Ben Judah Leib. He founded the Frankists, a heretical Jewish sect that was an anti-Talmudic outgrowth of the mysticism of the false Messiah Sabbatai Zevi .
..... Click the link for more information. . The name is also spelled Shabbatai Zvi. 

Whitesnake:
Neshto pove4e , poradi fakta 4e v tradicionnata balgarska istoria se povtarq do bezspir tezata za nasilstveno priemane na isliama imenno preeksponirana ot balgarskite vazrojdenci se e polu4ilo taka 4e dori i v momenta obiknovenia srednostati4en balgarski grajdanin ne priema drugi versii za idvaneto na islama na Balkanite osven vazrojdenskata idea.
Predlagam vi oshte edna, moje bi nestandartna forma na idvaneto na islama na Balkanite.
Vrazkata na osnova mistika mejdu sektata  Dionme i Bektashiiskia Orden na Sufiite.
sajaliavam 4e e na angliiski:

Sabbatai Zevi and the Bektashi Sufi
(the import of Sabbatai Zvi's affiliation with Alevi-Bektashi form of Islam.)
by

Dr Ali Duran

In my reading not much has been made of this affiliation and it would be interesting to get some anecdotal information from our contemorary Turkish Sabbatean brothers on the list.

One thing which has not been made much mention of is the non-orthodox Bektashi praxis. In many regards, Bektashis and Alevis (I make an artificial distinction) are regarded as beyond the limits of acceptible Muslim behavior.

For example, as I have mentioned, Hazrat Ali Ibne Abe Talib the successor and legati (wasi) of Prophet Muhammad is regarded as a Divine being personage, even an incarnation or Manifestation, of Allah.

Second is the regard the Alevi-Bektashi regard the Babas or Dedes who are considered Insan e Kamil, that is Perfect Man. The Insan e Kamil is the perfect representative of Allah on Earth and more emphasis is placed on the instruction and example of the Baba than upon the texts and laws.

Regarding prayer, many Alevi-Bektashis do not follow the prescribed sunnah of 5 daily prayers, preferring instead to offer their prayers privately or at Cem, the gathering of the Alevi.

Fasting during Ramezan is not adhered to, instead fasting in the month of Muharram, especially in the day of Ashura (10 Muharram), is employed in honor of the Martyrdom of the Imam Husayn.

Alcohol can be and is used by many Alevi Bektashis and is not regarded as sinful unlike the majority of the sunnah belief.

Male and female equality is emphasized.

Men and women practice together in the Cem and in Zikrullah (the gathering for Zikr)

Pilgrimage or Hajj to Mecca is substituted with pilgrimage to shrines of sufi saints or visits to living Babas or Dedes.

In many ways the Bektashi-Alevis are considered antinomian by the sunni majority, so in many ways it is interesting that Sabbatai Tzvi chose to affiliate with the Bektashi rather than the other Sufi orders of Anatolia.

I alluded that this affiliation may be subject to hermeneutic interpretation, since many of Sabbatai Tzvi's actions are given to such interpretation.

Scholem gives only a passing reference to this in his magnum opus, however, this behavior after the holy apostasy seems to speak volumes (at least to me) regarding AMIRAH's approach to Islam and Sufism.

Note: Most of this is based on personal discussions that I have had with Alevis and Bektashi Sufis, as such it is anecdotal.  For the more academically rigorous, I refer these two books:

Schindeldecker, John "Turkish Alevis Today" (Istanbul: Sakhulu Sultan Kulliyesi Vakfi) 1998.  ISBN 975-94-441-0-0

Moosa, Matti "Extremist Shiites"  (Syracuse: Syracuse University Press) 1988 ISBN 0-8156-2411-5.

Schindeldecker may be hard to find in the US, but it is in English. Moosa can be obtained from Amazon.com.

Ya Ali Madad Ali Duran

Ibrahim al-Qa'im (Professor Avraham Elqayam) adds:

Some aspects of the relations between Sabbatai Sevi and the Bektashi order were discussed some months ago in my own posts and chaver Evgueny Tortchinov's posts.

As for books, I'd like to add some more choice of reading material to the chaverim interested in the Bektashi order. Those of the chaverim who can read French, are referred to a recent title by an imminent French scholar, the most up-to-date research work that I know of: Melikoff, I., Hadji Bektach: un mythe et ses avatars. Genese et evolution du soufisme populaire en Turquie, Leiden 1998.

Those interested in various Bektashiya aspects, can try this title: Kehl-Bodrogi, K., Kellner-Heinkele, B. & Otter-Beaujean, A. (Eds.), Syncretistic Religious Communities in the Near East: Collected Papers of the International Symposium "Alevism in Turkey and Comparable Syncretistic Religious Communities in the Near East in the past and Present", Leiden 1997.

Ibrahim al-Qa'im

eto vi daje i linka na Dionme foruma:
http://www.kheper.net/topics/Kabbalah/Zevi_and_Bektashi.htm

GORANEC:
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rado:
Hey Goranec, ti si golyam veselayk, be. Oti se ne skriesh neyde. Ti ne beshe li trakiec? To ela w yzhna Balgariya tama e palno s trakiyanci.

Nazmi:

--- Quote from: FORCA on March 03, 2009, 21:17 ---Да вашия етнос е Б............и но вие сте Б.......И.

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