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Pomak language ?
Dobrev:
--- Quote from: bogutevolu on May 27, 2010, 09:50 ---We define our language as “Pomaski ezik” in Turkey not Bulgarian. Also we define ourselves as Pomaks. This is the simple reality from the point of an ordinary Pomak mentality in Turkey.
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Dear ago Mustafa,
I really really admire that you have preserved for over a century the way your parents and grandparents spoke.
And I know why you call that language pomak - because it`s only pomaks that live in Turkey and that speak it.
It`s the same situation in Greece, they have no idea how Bulgarians speak and that`s why they call it pomak language there too.
But when it comes to Bulgaria, where this language originated, the situation is different.
We cannot say that it is pomak language, because in Bulgaria Christians and Muslim speak the same dialect.
So every time a Christian hears that his language was called pomak, that only increases the hostility towards us.
We don`t need more hostility between the two confessional groups in Bulgaria.
From linguistic point of view, that is just a dialect of Bulgarian.
In Bulgaria there`s many many dialects. We cannot start saying that they are different languages, because they all follow grammatical and syntax rules of the Bulgarian language.
And if we have to be objective, we cannot define it as pomak in Bulgaria, as more Christians than us speak the same dialect. That is why we call it Rhodope or Rupchoski (Rupski) dialect.
Take a look and you will see that Christians speak the same way as we do:
http://www.napenalki.com/
Националист:
„О, ти неразумни юроде, поради что се срамиш, болгарин да се наричаш“ Паисий Хилендарски
Hello dear brothers from Turkey. For me you are Bulgarians, so when I write it, I mean you. The separatism is in our blood, it's part of the character of Bulgarians. You see, if Turks had 500 years Byzantine slavery (just let suggest), and have done some Turks Christian, today Turks would be proud, because they have many religions. This is because Turks like their selves, and they are proud of their history and past, although they have bad periods too. We, Bulgarians are not like them. We set on first place "me" and "my wife/husband", others can starve, can stay out of water, but they are not important. Well, may be you are not this kind of person, may be I'm not too, but this is because we are bred people. Nowadays Bulgarians are separated on 3 groups - casual Bulgarians; Macedonians - citizens of FYRO Macedonia; and you - muslim Bulgarians.
Now let start talking about the topic. "Помашки език", please use Cyrillic, can exist only like a dialect of the Bulgarian language. Why? Because it is Bulgarian language in its roots. Every region has it's own dialect and it's no problem to exist. The problem is when you people, come here start explaining us some "true" . How dare you to say that you speak Bulgarian language when you haven't been in Bulgaria for more than 100 years? You add Turk words in this language, you change some words and letters. You can't read in Bulgarian, you even don't know the alphabet. In the other hand are the Pomaks in Bulgaria. They listen Bulgarian TV, read newspapers, they speak at home a language that is dialectical, but 100% Bulgarian. I'm sure you don't know, but there are Bulgarians in Banat, Hungary, they don't speak our language, they write on Latin alphabet, they call their language "Banat Bulgarian", but they know that even changed somehow, this language is Bulgarian and they have to keep it. Today they don't write their newspapers on "Banat Bulgarian", because in XXI they learn to write and read on native Bulgarian. You should do it too. It's normal that you have changed your language through the years abroad, but it's all your problem that you don't speak your native language. Don't tell others to learn your language, learn the language of others !
I hope you will understand me correctly, I don't have nothing against you, I just want to help you find the right way.
PS: Bogutevolu, if you want to see some books of Bulgarian, I can give you some links for books written for people whose native language is Turkish, here in Sofia, there are many people from Turkey coming to study here so I can give you pictures of their books so you will see how Bulgarian is this language you call "Pomashki"
ПС: Исках първото изречение да е в курсив но явно HTML тагове нещо не работят.
bricktop:
--- Quote from: Toska on May 24, 2010, 20:53 ---Most of the bulgarian racists define macedonian as bulgarian (soon they 'll begin to qualify serbian as a subdialect of bulgarian ) but as we know there are so many differencies between them. With simple logic we can easily define rhodopean tongues as like as a language. If macedonian is an accepted language by linguistic scientists, pomak language would be accept as a language. M i right ?
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"The Macedonian`language is a dialect of the Bulgarian but there is too much politics involved in that issue. For example the lang. spoken in Quebec is French dialect and noone ever doubted it. The Macedonian dialect is spoken not only in FYROM and the geogrphical region of Macedonia, but also in the areas of Kjustendil, Trun, and Samokov for that matter. And tose have never been considered part of Macedonia region, on the contrary in fact.
As for the Pomak language, I feel it is a blend of Slav and Turkish. The word `bubaiko`(dad, father) for example, comes from the Turkish ``buba``(dad, father), if I am not mistaken. If Pomak have decided to call it Pomashki, it is their choise. I do not see any problem with that.
Anyway, as Sir W. Churchill said: The Balkans have soo much history, they cannot handle it:)
Nazmi:
--- Quote from: boyandobrev on May 27, 2010, 18:41 ---
Dear ago Mustafa,
I really really admire that you have preserved for over a century the way your parents and grandparents spoke.
And I know why you call that language pomak - because it`s only pomaks that live in Turkey and that speak it.
It`s the same situation in Greece, they have no idea how Bulgarians speak and that`s why they call it pomak language there too.
But when it comes to Bulgaria, where this language originated, the situation is different.
We cannot say that it is pomak language, because in Bulgaria Christians and Muslim speak the same dialect.
So every time a Christian hears that his language was called pomak, that only increases the hostility towards us.
We don`t need more hostility between the two confessional groups in Bulgaria.
From linguistic point of view, that is just a dialect of Bulgarian.
In Bulgaria there`s many many dialects. We cannot start saying that they are different languages, because they all follow grammatical and syntax rules of the Bulgarian language.
And if we have to be objective, we cannot define it as pomak in Bulgaria, as more Christians than us speak the same dialect. That is why we call it Rhodope or Rupchoski (Rupski) dialect.
Take a look and you will see that Christians speak the same way as we do:
http://www.napenalki.com/
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Here in our site www. pomak.eu- discussions and traditions are fine.
The our members forum us nave respect with that.
Thanks for normal discussions,and needet more fakt and opinion.
aroxol1979:
Hey, :)
1.Greeks came in Thrace arround 700 B.C. (they destroyed our Beautyfull Troia) but they gave also.
2. Bulgars came in Thrace arround 600 A.C. they destroyed many villages, but they gave also.
3. Turks came in Thrace arround 1200 A.C. they destroyed but they gave also.
4. Pomacks or Ahrianes (they were called so "agrianes-achrianes" in the ancient world) or Ahrensky were living in Thrace beforeany other race (greeks, bulgars, turks), they were one of the Thracian Tribes.
They had their own language and it was Thracians language and their own Gots before they become Christians or Muslims and maybe greeks-bulgars -turks.
I dont think that its right to try, to show that ahrianes-pomaks-thracians are closer to greece to bulgaria or turkey, i think we should love our people, our history, our way of living, our land Thrace and try to find many of our common thinks and not thinks they make us something else like greeks bulgars or turks.
Many of what we have is coming from these three (greeks turks bulgars) and many they got is coming from us.
But one is for sure, all we want to stay and find our place in History as Ahraines-Pomaks and Trueborn Thracians.
Thank u all. ;)
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