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Re: Произход на българите !
Marlboro:
E-e-e haidyshki, za takava prostotiq naistina ne trqbvashe da si gybq vremeto da go cheta osobenno da gybq vreme da go komentiram.
S dve dymi ta'pa haidyshko-peshterna prosta prostotiq ne zaslyjava da se obarne vnimanie.
Marlboro:
--- Quote ---"Древните тюрки обаче титлуват владетеля си ябгу?! "
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Shte otdelq malko vreme za tova izrechenie da razberesh kolko si zadrasten, haidyte- peshterski , za drygite tapizmi koga namerq vreme !
Cheti vnimatelno ti sega peshterno-momche haidyshko !
Yabgy e vtori pri turkite po golemina titla v Kaganata, parvi e Khana, OK prosto haidyche kato tazi titla "Yabgy" moje da se dava na malkiq brat na Khana.
Yabgu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yabgu
Yabgu (Old Turkic: , yabγu, Traditional Chinese: 葉護, Simplified Chinese: 叶护, Jabgu, Djabgu, literally, "pioneer"[citation needed], "guide"[citation needed]) was a state office in the early Turkic states, roughly equivalent to viceroy. The title carried autonomy in different degrees, and its links with the central authority of Khagan varied from economical and political subordination to superficial political deference.
The position of Yabgu was traditionally given to the second highest member of a ruling clan (Ashina), with the first member being the Kagan himself. Frequently, Yabgu was a younger brother of the ruling Kagan, or a representative of the next generation, called Shad (blood prince). Mahmud Kashgari defined the title Yabgu as "position two steps below Kagan", listing heir apparent Shad a step above Yabgu.
Rasate:
--- Quote from: Marlboro on October 20, 2013, 17:35 ---Shte otdelq malko vreme za tova izrechenie da razberesh kolko si zadrasten, haidyte- peshterski , za drygite tapizmi koga namerq vreme !
Cheti vnimatelno ti sega peshterno-momche haidyshko !
Yabgy e vtori pri turkite po golemina titla v Kaganata, parvi e Khana, OK prosto haidyche kato tazi titla "Yabgy" moje da se dava na malkiq brat na Khana.
Yabgu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yabgu
Yabgu (Old Turkic: , yabγu, Traditional Chinese: 葉護, Simplified Chinese: 叶护, Jabgu, Djabgu, literally, "pioneer"[citation needed], "guide"[citation needed]) was a state office in the early Turkic states, roughly equivalent to viceroy. The title carried autonomy in different degrees, and its links with the central authority of Khagan varied from economical and political subordination to superficial political deference.
The position of Yabgu was traditionally given to the second highest member of a ruling clan (Ashina), with the first member being the Kagan himself. Frequently, Yabgu was a younger brother of the ruling Kagan, or a representative of the next generation, called Shad (blood prince). Mahmud Kashgari defined the title Yabgu as "position two steps below Kagan", listing heir apparent Shad a step above Yabgu.
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Тук интересното е ,че титлата Кана е описана в индийският епос още преди обединението на Китай при Цин Шъхуан,където титлата Ке-Хан ( 客棧 > ke-han „велик владетел“ ) се заменя с "Хуанг-ди" ( 皇帝 >Huáng-dì -"Huáng" блестящ ,Di- император ).
Marlboro:
Shto ne se izparish i da te dyhne vqtara, ha-a selski ? Kaji haidytite da izpratqt nqkoi po-seriozen haidyt, koito chatka ot istoriq, a ne sachineniq kato tvoite.
I k'vo kato kitaicite i indiitcite sa opisvali Ke-han / Me-han bre selsko momche, te vsichki narodi opishat po tqhno razbirane s tehen si ezik, kakto vie peshterno-haidytite go prevarnahte v "Kanas" ta sled tova v'v vasalnata titla "Knqz", koqto titla Khan ima znachenie na Imperator selqnche, sashto taka i mongolite go pishat kato Haan, severno koreicite Key ili ujnite koretci kato Kan.
Titlata "Khan" se sreshta parvo pri Xianbey konfederatciq prez 283 g., koqto titla zamenq "Chanyu" ot 209 p.n.era pri Xiognu konfederatciq, kato titlata "Khan" e prieta ot klana Ashina v 6-ti vek, OK momche-haidyshko.
" Ashina was a tribe and the ruling dynasty of the ancient Turks who rose to prominence in the mid-6th century when their leader, Bumin Khan, revolted against the Rouran. The two main branches of the family, one descended from Bumin and the other from his brother Istemi, ruled over the eastern and western parts of the Göktürk empire, respectively. The Ashina clan were considered to be the chosen of the sky god Tengri and the ruler (Khagan) was the incarnation of the favor the sky god bestowed on the Turks. The Türks, like many of their subjects, were believers in Tengri."
" In the middle of the sixth century it was known as "Kagan – King of the Turks" to the Persians."
V sredata na 6-ti vek tazi titla se znaeshe kato Kagan - Kral na turkite ot Perciitcite.
Marlboro:
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